Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] What's up, guys? Today on the Chris Stefanik Show, I'm so excited. We're gonna dive deep into the Shroud of Terim. If you're a non believer, if you don't believe in God, if you don't believe in Christianity, we're gonna give you some information today that's really going to upset and challenge your entire worldview. We're gonna dive into the evidence that this is the burial cloth, or maybe a better way to say it, the resurrection cloth of Jesus Christ. We're gonna uncover the lies that have been told about the Shroud of Turin. These shouldn't surprise us because you read the Bible, in 33 AD there were resurrection deniers and they're still around today. More importantly, we're gonna land on some incredible things that you've probably never heard before about the Shroud and what it reveals about the death of Jesus and his resurrection, specifically what he went through out of love for us. And a lot of things I'm gonna share. Guys, I didn't know. I've been familiar with the Shroud for years and years. But the things I uncovered are gonna shape how I meditate I on the mysteries of Good Friday and Easter Sunday and every Mass, frankly, for the rest of my life.
[00:01:01] We go into a lot of information here. If you wanna skip past all the things where I respond to the Shroud deniers and the stuff where I talk about all the different amazing scientific facts about the Shroud, which are really mind blowing and just get straight to your Good Friday Easter Sunday meditations about what the man in the Shroud went through. You can just scroll on the bottom of the YouTube video and you'll see each section divided up nicely for your viewing.
[00:01:25] Okay, guys, the Shroud of Turin is the most studied artifact in human history.
[00:01:30] Let that sink in for a second because it's not an exaggeration. There have been hundreds of thousands of research hours across dozens of scientific disciplines given to the Shroud. From physics to chemistry to forensics to pathology to botany, mathematics, image analysis, all given to the Shroud, the Sturp. The Shroud of Turin research project team alone had 33 scientists. They spent 120 continuous hours with the Shroud in 1978. And they worked round the clock with seven tons of equipment. And many of them, here's the crazy thing, they came expecting to debunk the shroud in like 15 minutes and basically get a free trip with a bunch of their scientist friends to Rome for a week.
[00:02:08] All of them, every single researcher, came expecting that to happen. And they left unable to explain what the heck is going on with this piece of linen.
[00:02:22] Before I dive in any further, you can click below this video and there's a link where I'll share all this information with you.
[00:02:28] Some footnotes about where I got it. But guys, you don't even need the footnotes. You can Google any of the facts I'm about to share that will be in that printout and you can find all the research that's been done. Okay, guys, now the most obvious piece of research uncovered that the image is a photographic negative. And here's the cool thing. It was discovered by accident in a dark room. So it was 1898. A photographer named Segundo Pia took the first photograph of the Shroud. And he went into his dark room and he looked at the photographic negative. He saw a stunningly clear, realistic human face pop out of it and just staring back at him. Okay, guys, the Shroud's been encoding a photographic negative for centuries, apparently long before photography was even a thing.
[00:03:09] So nobody looking at it with the naked eye could have known what this actually was before photography existed. And you can see this for yourself right now. If you pull up a picture of the Shroud of Turin, just put it on your laptop, then take your phone out, go to Settings. This is really cool. Put it on a classic invert and then hold it up to the image and you'll just watch the face of Jesus just pop out of this thing. How awesome is that? The STURP team, the S T U R P team, examined the Shroud with every tool that science had available in 1978. They found no pigment, no medium, no brush strokes. Okay? No substance of any kind could account for the image that was on the Shroud. And their conclusion quote, the Shroud image is that of a real human form, of a scourged, crucified man. It is not the product of an artist. Okay, that's from the Stirp final report. And guys, these scientists, they were Jewish, they were atheists, they were from different religions. A lot of them wanted it to be false. Alright, so in other words, this is like a photograph from an era before we knew what photography was. And we have no idea what this is made of. That's number two. Number three. The image contains three 3D body data. All right, so you probably have heard number one or two. If you follow the Shroud for any length of time. This one blew my mind. In 1976, there are two Air Force Academy professors, physicist John Jackson and aerodynamicist Eric Jumper. They ran The Shroud through something called a VP8 image analyzer. Okay, guys, that image was actually originally built to create terrain maps. Have you seen those terrain maps that show the height of a mountain, the depth of a lake between the mountains? And it reads heights and depths by studying brightness levels of an image and converts them into height and depth. Now, any regular photo or any piece of art read by a VP8, it creates a meaningless blob. When they fed the Shroud Image into this VP8, there was a perfect 3D human figure that rose off the screen. It was an actual holographic depth map of a man's body. The lighter and the darker areas in the cloth perfectly matched how far the fabric would have been as it rested gently on a real human body underneath it. Guys, the Shroud is literally the only image ever found in history that contains encoded three dimensional information.
[00:05:29] Nobody's explained how it got there. Nobody can explain how it's been hiding there for millennia.
[00:05:35] Or let's say. Let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say no, this is. This is a medieval hoax. No one could possibly explain how this has been there for 600 years before we knew about 3D imaging at all. And to this day, nobody could recreate something like that. Number four, whatever made the image. This is really cool. Radiated straight up from the body and down from the body on the bottom half like a flash of light. Okay, so the 3D data tells us the image wasn't made by contact or pressing from a body radiating light at all places in all directions at once. Because if it was, they would have flattened the cloth and found that the face was spread out much like a death mask from the ancient world would be deformed in its width. Okay, so it would have been touching on the side the ears. You spread it out and suddenly the ears are out to here. No, no, what happened was that it was a columnated light, which means it was like a column in a straight line up and down from the front and back of the body. So where the cloth was touching closest to the face got the most light, whereas furthest away got the least light. Until about 4 centimeters, roughly an inch and a half away from the nose, the image disappears completely. So that's really cool, guys. Whatever this was, it behaved. Whatever it was. I know what it was. It behaved more like a physics event than anything that an artist would do. Number five, you'd expect the back of the image to be flattened out as the dead body laid on the image, and his shoulders and buttocks and Calves maybe would have smashed against the image and made more of a flat image on the backside. So the cool thing here, guys, is it doesn't show that, which means the body wasn't pressing down in the moment that this image was imprinted on the back. It wasn't laying down and smushed against the stone with its full weight. So some researchers interpret this as evidence that the instant the image was created, the body was no longer exerting gravitational pressure on the cloth.
[00:07:28] It's as if in that moment, in that instant, it was suspended or weightless within the cloth.
[00:07:35] Number six, there are undisturbed blood clots on the cloth. Now, there was a lot of blood on this image. I'm going to get into just how much later. But the fact that they were undisturbed, which means that they were left there, they weren't ripped. Okay, this points to the body suddenly ceasing to be there or just passing through the cloth and the cloth just settling gently through the space that the body had previously occupied. Now, if you have faith in the Bible, this tracks with Jesus resurrected body and the qualities of that body. He walked through locked doors into rooms where the apostles were hiding. So he didn't wake up after, you know, Good Friday through Easter Sunday and have to rip this off because you would have found tears in the cloth or the blood imagery on the cloth ripping. It just kind of stayed there and then settled gently.
[00:08:26] Number seven. This blows my mind, guys. The energy required to produce the image is beyond anything we can generate to this day.
[00:08:34] Let that sink in for a minute.
[00:08:37] All shroud deniers. How do you explain this one? The Italian government scientists at enea, that's Italy's National Energy and Technology Agency, spent five years, five years trying to replicate the image using the most advanced ultraviolet lasers in the world. Now, they got close on a tiny patch of linen a few centimeters wide.
[00:08:57] But when they calculated what it would take to do the whole body, the numbers were completely staggering. Approximately 34 trillion watts.
[00:09:09] I can't even make sense of numbers like this. 34 trillion watts of vacuum ultraviolet light fired in a single burst lasting 1/40 billionths of a second.
[00:09:22] Because if it was any more than that, it would have incinerated the cloth. Now, to put this in perspective, that's more UV energy than every ultraviolet light source on the planet can produce combined.
[00:09:33] If the burst lasted even a fraction of a second longer, again, the cloth would have been completely vaporized by the heat. And one estimate says that you need to fire 14,000 excimer lasers that's what you use in LASIK surgery. They're just like little blasts of laser light. You need to fire 14,000 of them at the same instant at one piece of linen. Guys, in 2026, we can't do this today.
[00:09:58] And obviously, nobody in the Middle Ages would even be close to this, and certainly no 1 in 33 ad number 8. The image is nearly invisible close up. This is really cool. If you walk right up to the shroud, which. It's hard to be able to do that, unless maybe you're the Pope and you stood right in front of it, you'd barely see anything. It doesn't resolve into a picture until you're about six to eight feet back from it, which makes no sense for a painting or any kind of deliberate forgery. And number nine, cool fact about the Shroud. Here's the reason for that. The discoloration that forms the image affects only the outermost surface of each linen fiber. Let me repeat that again. Discoloration is only the outermost surface of each linen fiber. Now, what do I mean by outermost surface?
[00:10:43] It's a layer.
[00:10:45] This is crazy. 2 microns deep. All right, to give you a sense of how thin that is, a human hair is about 70 microns wide. This image lives in a layer 35 times thinner than one of your hairs.
[00:11:00] What? As Jeremiah Johnston puts it, the image is so thin that you could shave it off with a razor. That's right. You take a big razor to the shrouded terrain, the whole thing would disappear. The blood, by contrast, soaks all the way through the linen paint. By the way, if someone had painted, this would soak in a dye, would penetrate. A scorch would go deeper. Like if you tried to scorch this under the image. Guys, nothing we know works at this scale to this day. And the best scientists, again, in the world can't seem to replicate this to the scale that it was done on. The Shroud of Turin. Number 10. The image also shows the inside of the body.
[00:11:36] What, kind of like an X ray? All right. The shroud doesn't just show the surface of what a body looks like. Researchers have identified what appears to be bones of the hand and other internal structures visible through the cloth, as if the body became briefly transparent at the moment where the explosion of light happened. Guys, there's no contact method, no painting technique. There's no natural process that can produce an image that shows both the outside and inside of a body on a piece of cloth at the same time. Number 11.
[00:12:06] The blood is real. Human blood.
[00:12:08] And it was on the cloth before the image appeared. Okay, so there's misinformation flying around that it's not blood. And this really drives me crazy because people just take to TikTok, Dear Atheist of TikTok, please stop lying. Or at least do one simple Google search and you can find out that you're wrong. If you're genuinely getting the misinformation from somebody, it's real human blood. Adam Adler, he's a Jewish man who's a chemist from Western Connecticut State University.
[00:12:32] He studied this blood that was soaked into the cloth. So underneath the blood, there's no image at all. So the blood came first onto the cloth, then the image was imprinted, and the places where there was blood, the image didn't get through.
[00:12:44] Again, that's the opposite of what an artist would do. An artist would paint the image and then add the blood. Number 12. About that blood. The blood is type AB. AB is the rarest type in the world at under 1% now. AB positive is about 3 or 4% now. Worth noting, guys, AB is a universal recipient.
[00:13:00] Oh, how beautiful. Jesus receives us. We think we're receiving him. When we drink the blood of Christ, he receives us into his body, and we become the body of Christ.
[00:13:09] Whoa. And, guys, this is the blood type found in every Eucharistic miracle.
[00:13:15] Let that sink in for a second. This is, like, full on Catholic X Files stuff. Wow. Okay. That said, this rare blood type is significantly more common in Middle Eastern and Jewish populations. But here's what's really crazy. There was a study done of 68 skeletons unearthed in Jerusalem and Ein Gedi around 1600-2000 years ago that belonged to Jews. And they found that over 50% of them back then had AB blood type. Whoa. So this all tracks. Number 13, Max Frei. He was a Swiss criminologist who had worked in the Nuremberg trials. He spent five years studying pollen spores embedded in the shroud. And, dude, this blew my mind. He identified 50 species native to the Jerusalem region that bloom in springtime exactly when Passover occurs. How amazing, dude. Like, really, like, this is. It's so dang hard to deny that this is what Christians have always thought it was. Number 14, the face on the shroud matches the oldest known portraits of Jesus Christ almost perfectly. Christ. The Pantocrator image at St. Catherine's Monastery in the Sinai desert dates to about 550 A.D. and it's the oldest known painting of Jesus. And researcher Doug Powell used AI to overlay the data from the shroud Face and the Pytacter icon, and they aligned over 200 points of comparison.
[00:14:31] It's as if the icon, like many at the time that looked like Christ, the Pentocrator and Byzantine coins, have the same basic depiction of Jesus. It's as if these early depictions of Jesus artistically traced the Shroud.
[00:14:47] So it could be that the Shroud is likely the model for the oldest artistic images we have of Jesus. Okay, guys, now it's time to debunk the debunkers. The biggest thing I got to debunk is this. In 1988, there was carbon dating done that declared the Shroud to be a medieval hoax. And I got to give this one qualifier, too. If something came out that proved the Shroud was a medieval hoax, that wouldn't shake my faith in the resurrection of Jesus Christ at all. It more so lies on something I can make a whole other video about, which is the eyewitness testimony of men who died to uphold their testimony, which it makes no sense to do. If you know that your testimony is a lie. This makes no sense at all. This just adds to the faith that I already have. Now, here's where this story is really ugly. If you look at the sample of Shroud that they chose for the carbon dating, it's obvious even to the untrained eye, that they picked the wrong piece. It was in one corner of the Shroud, and the piece was obviously fixed. It was a medieval repair job done after the Shroud went through a fire.
[00:15:46] Now, here's where this gets even uglier.
[00:15:48] As they researched and they analyzed this piece of cloth, they found that there was cotton woven in with the original linen, and they found smoke damage. All of which would lead any honest scientist to say this is not an accurate piece of the Shroud to give us accurate carbon dating. But, guys, here's where it gets even uglier.
[00:16:09] They buried that raw data and all the testing and just asked the general public to receive their conclusions. Ironically, on faith. It wasn't until 2017 that researcher Tristan Casabianka, he filed a legal action that forced the British Museum to release the raw data. Guys, nobody. Nobody has been able to reproduce anything like the Shroud. Despite every technology available in the 21st century, nobody's created an image that matches all the Shroud properties all at once.
[00:16:39] The photographic negative, the encoded 3D data, the 2 micron thinness, the absence of any other substance, the radiation characteristics, the X ray properties. Guys, you could fake maybe one or two of these features with enough effort and with modern Technology, but not all of them together. Not even close. Not even to this day. Now.
[00:16:58] Whoo. Here's where we're going to shift from these proofs and responses to the deniers to a meditation that can really change how you approach God every time you think about the cross and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. I want to talk about what we can learn about the crucified man on the shroud and what he went through. The man in the shroud was about 5ft 10 and 175 to 180 pounds. So for his time, he was tall and he was muscular. Okay? The average guy in first century Palestine was about 5, 5 to 5, 7. So this guy would have kind of stood out in a crowd, much like a guy who's like 6 foot 4, 6 foot 5, and pretty muscular would stand out today, which is very appropriate because that's what he needed to do, stand out in a crowd. I mean, he'd stand in front of 5,000 people and just preach. And how cool to think about the imposing figure that he was. He was crucified naked, which is consistent with Roman crucifixion. So they'd strip you and they'd humiliate you. And that was a huge central part of the punishment.
[00:17:56] He was scourged. Now, this part really disturbed me, reading about this and learning more about it. He was scourged from head to foot by two men at the same time. The evidence in the shroud points to this.
[00:18:07] And the scourge marks, guys, there's about 200 scourge marks on his back and about 170 on the front.
[00:18:14] And they're consistent with two Roman flagra being used simultaneously from each side of the body. Now, a flagram was a short handled whip with multiple leather straps, and each strap was tipped with a lead ball or a sharp bone. And it was basically designed to rip you apart. Like, he didn't have to be crucified after this to end up dying. This would have been enough to kill anybody. And in this case, this is the part that's hard to think about.
[00:18:41] The men stood shockingly close to the victim.
[00:18:44] Now, we know this because the wound marks when the flag were hit, they were tightly grouped and not spread out. What does that mean? If they were back five or six feet, what would have happened is that they would have thrown the whip, right? They would have whipped it, and as the leather straps are flying through the air, they would have spread and made contact with the skin, spread out, and then they'd pull back and it would come Together as it pulled back. In this case, the opposite happened. They were so close that by the time that the leather straps hit the skin and made impact and the lead balls tore into the skin, they were still all together, tightly grouped. And it was the moment that they pulled them back that the leather straps fanned outward. So it leaves these distinctive radiating wounds visible all over the shroud. Guys. The beating covered his entire body, including his groin.
[00:19:35] And it was so severe that it's estimated that it would have cost him about a third of his blood volume. Imagine for a minute the up close ferocity of this particular torture.
[00:19:45] They were almost on top of him, guys. If they were that close, that it would have hit with all the leather straps still together being ripped apart from each side. This wouldn't have looked like humans beating someone. This would have looked like rabid dogs on top of someone. And they would have been so close. And with that much blood loss and that much violent action, they would have been covered with his blood by the time they were done scourging him. Kind of like what one might imagine if two demon possessed men were given this one shot at torturing God. His face. His face was destroyed. The shroud shows what appeared to be a blinded right eye, likely from a flagram strike wrapping around the back of his head and catching his eye socket.
[00:20:21] His left cheek is swollen and raised. His nose is damaged. All that's consistent with being struck repeatedly by fists or by rods.
[00:20:30] Christian, this is God who went through this.
[00:20:33] The crown of thorns used was actually a helmet. It wasn't a neat little crown. The Shroud shows approximately 50 puncture wounds covering his entire head from his forehead to the base of his skull, consistent with a cap shaped mass of thorns rammed into his head. There's a regional thorn plant called the Zisyphus spina Christi, and it has thorns that are sharp as nails when they're dried. And, guys, the amount of blood loss from the scalp alone would have been massive. And you combine that with the blood loss from his body and this man was completely, completely, totally red. Guys, between the scourging in the front and back sides, by the way, the sides of his body can't be fully counted because the shroud only shows the front and back and the thorn wounds and the nail wounds and the facial trauma. Researchers estimate over 700 distinct injuries on this man.
[00:21:22] Pints of blood soaked the shroud of Turin. Pints. It's a miracle he was standing up, guys. Almost all those 700 wounds occurred before he was even sentenced, guys. This was just the warm up.
[00:21:35] And the crowd looked at him when Pilate brought him out and said, behold the man.
[00:21:40] I think Pilate was even shocked in that moment about what he was seeing.
[00:21:45] And the crowd's response was still not enough.
[00:21:48] Crucify him.
[00:21:50] Crucify him.
[00:21:52] This is what our sin does. But more than that, this is what love does.
[00:21:56] This is love's response to our brokenness.
[00:22:00] Guys, by every medical standard, he should have been dead long before the cross. Losing a third of your blood volume, it puts people into what a doctor calls class three hemorrhagic shock. Your pulse goes rapid and weak because you have so little blood that your heart has to pump harder to keep what remains going through your body. Your blood pressure drops, your skin turns pale and clammy. Your brain starts shutting down. In a modern emergency room, a patient at this stage will get an immediate blood transfusion. And without that immediate transfusion, most people would just collapse. And the dirt and blood found in the shroud are likely evidence of exactly that happening. Not just stumbles under a heavy crossbeam, but full collapses from the body going into shock.
[00:22:42] Calcium carbonate in the soil that's specific to Jerusalem, not just the Middle East. Okay, not Middle Eastern dirt, but specifically Jerusalem is found in the shroud at the feet, which it's obvious. He was walking up these streets on the knees.
[00:22:57] And this is the part that's going to stick with my meditations the rest of my life. On the tip of his nose, he had fallen face first.
[00:23:06] Face first.
[00:23:07] Medically, it makes perfect sense. This man's body was failing. He was going into shock.
[00:23:12] It was a more horrifying scene than most movies show. It was actually worse looking than the Passion of the Christian.
[00:23:18] And that was pretty gory.
[00:23:20] So think of this man going into shock, falling on his face without even that Jerusalem stone being found in the hands or elbows to catch him straight on his face and probably seizing as he hit the ground. The gospel tells us Simon of Cyrene was forced to carry the cross the rest of the way. See, Roman executioners were trained to bring a victim right to the edge of death. They were experts at this without killing him, because the crucifixion itself was the highlight. It was the point for them. And they needed him alive, even if barely alive for the moment. On the cross, the shroud shows large, rectangular abrasion marks below both shoulder blades and above the right shoulder. It's consistent with a heavy, rough wooden beam being dragged across raw, scourged skin as he carried the crossbeam, which would have been about 125 pounds to his execution. This shroud confirms that he was nailed through his wrists, not his palms. Okay, every medieval painting gets this wrong. It shows nails through your palms, but your palms can't support your body weight. The nails would just tear right through your hands. The shroud shows anatomically correct locations where they actually would have nailed people into a cross right here at the wrist, where the bones can lock around the nail and hold you up. Now, here's the brutal mechanics of how that killed you. To take a breath, you had to push up on those nails through your feet. And if you stopped pushing, you'd surrender to the weight of your body and you'd suffocate. A very slow suffocation. Crucifixion kills by progressive asphyxiation. As the body weakens, the lungs slowly fill with fluid. That's a condition called pulmonary edema. Now, the wound between the fifth and sixth ribs on the shroud, which matches the exact dimension of a Roman thrusting spear. Dude, all the pieces fit. It released a flow that forensic analysis identifies as approximately six parts lung fluid to one part blood.
[00:25:05] That's exactly the ratio you'd expect from a body that died that way. And when the Gospel of John says blood and water flowed from his side, that wasn't just poetic language, though. It has a lot of layers of theological meaning. It's also a precise medical description of pulmonary edema. What it looks like when you puncture a chest cavity. And, guys, John wouldn't know that. Actually, nobody knew that for another 1800 years. Now, the shroud contains both living blood and dead blood in the exact right places. This is another thing I'd never heard about the shroud before. That blew my mind. The scourge wounds on the head show what's called premortem blood. That's blood that's flowing out of a living body from a heart still beating. And you could tell because it's smeared. It's mixed with sweat, and it flowed under pressure the way blood does from a living body. The side wound shows postmortem blood. That's blood that's been separated into dark, clotted material and a clear, watery fluid called serum. Now, that separation only happens after death, when the heart stops pumping and gravity just takes over. So the scourging blood says alive. The spear wound says dead. And each type is in exactly the right place on the cloth.
[00:26:12] So, guys, in summary, we have two options when we consider all the evidence of the shroud.
[00:26:18] Option A. The shroud is a forgery. And here's what the forger pulled off. He found a victim with Jewish blood type ab. He crucified that man using exact Roman methods. Wrist nailing, two flagra, a spear wound between the fifth and sixth ribs, a helmet of thorns driven into the skull. He figured out how to encode a photographic negative 3D holographic depth data and X ray, like internal imaging into a piece of linen using a burst of vacuum ultraviolet radiation lasting less than a billionth of a second, radiation that required 34 trillion watts to produce. He applied two chemically different types of blood, living blood and dead blood, in the forensically correct locations. He seeded the cloth with pollen from 50 spring blooming Jerusalem plants. He embedded Jerusalem limestone dust in the nose, knees and feet. He made the image only 2 microns deep, with no substance on the cloth. And he did all this hundreds of years before any of the science needed to understand, let alone replicate, a single one of those features existed.
[00:27:21] Or, option B, Jesus is risen from the dead.
[00:27:29] And if that's true, which obviously I believe it is, guys, it changes everything.
[00:27:34] It means that death, suffering, despair, those don't get the final word.
[00:27:39] The final word in every situation in life is he is risen.
[00:27:45] That there is a God. That life is good. Because God is love.
[00:27:50] And love wins.
[00:27:55] And when you walk through life with him as savior and Lord, St. Paul puts it so beautifully that the very power that raised Jesus from the dead is alive on the inside of you.
[00:28:06] That power, 34 trillion watts of light.
[00:28:09] Boom. On the inside. Anyone in Christ is a new creation. The old is gone.
[00:28:17] Guys, you can't bury the stuff in the past. If Jesus is risen, this is not just Grandma's story.
[00:28:23] It's not for a library somewhere.
[00:28:26] The Risen One is here and now.
[00:28:28] And what he did isn't just an event from the past. He's given himself to you. This is what we remember. Every Good Friday, every Easter Sunday. And when he gives his whole self to us, what he wants back is all that we are.
[00:28:43] Everything. The good, the bad, the ugly.
[00:28:46] Even the parts of you that have been resisting. And dude, no one likes to be wrong. It's okay. It's okay to say I was wrong.
[00:28:53] Let's pray right now.
[00:28:55] In the name of the Father, Son, the Holy Spirit. And by the way, whether you believe or not, or maybe you're being convinced right now, whatever it is, just pray with me. Lord Jesus, I believe.
[00:29:08] Be my Lord and Savior.
[00:29:10] Thank you for dying for me. Thank you for rising for me.
[00:29:14] Lord Jesus, I believe.
[00:29:16] Be my Lord and Savior.
[00:29:18] Thank you for what you did for me.
[00:29:21] Pray that with me one more time. Lord Jesus, I believe be my Lord and Savior. Thank you for what you did for me. Amen. In the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, Amen.
[00:29:33] I want to thank people who like Father Robert Spitzer and Jeremiah Johnston and the Shrouded Turban Research center and all these different places that I got all this research from.
[00:29:43] I'm not the expert on this topic, but I encourage you to follow that handout and dig up all the people that I referenced at the bottom of the handout who've given their lives to this and given thousands and thousands of hours to this. If you want to dive even deeper than we went today into the mystery of the Shroud of Turin and all that it teaches us about the crucified man on the Shroud, keep diving. Keep diving deeper. And it's an honor to dive into the beauty and mystery of faith with you. God bless you guys. We'll see you next time.
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